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Why allopathic medine is up shit creek without a paddle — that is metaphorically speaking
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In my viewpoint all disease is a nutritional deficiency of some sort. The Biochemic Handbook says "every disease known to man is a result of a deficiency of one or other of the cell salts" Carole
So…AIDS and meningococcal meningitis are due, not to an infectious organism, but to a deficiency of some sort of "cell salt". Interesting. I MUST write to The Lancet… Sincerely, Mark, a real doctor
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…allopathic medicine is up shit creek without a paddle… As soon as I go broke, Carole, I’ll give you a call so you can tell me how I ought to make a living. Mark, MD
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Look at it another way. The body strives for perfect health. If the body cannot provide the owner with perfect health, the default mode is to provide a longer life. You may not like the pain and suffering, but you continue to live.
This is brilliant. No, really. I mean it. It’s the most perfect argument for alternative medicine ever produced. It neatly deals with all of the usual quantitative issues in one swell foop by making increases in longevity *proof* that health has been getting worse. The (longevity=bad health) equation neatly deals with the fact that heart disease, Alzheimers, cancer, etc (all of the classic diseases of old age) have not shown any age-adjusted increases, too. According to Charles, this is because they are both the result of a common cause! It’s going to take a while to work through all of the implications of this one. — | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make | | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay | | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
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In my viewpoint all disease is a nutritional deficiency of some sort. The Biochemic Handbook says "every disease known to man is a result of a deficiency of one or other of the cell salts" Carole So…AIDS and meningococcal meningitis are due, not to an infectious organism, but to a deficiency of some sort of "cell salt".
It seems a lot of diseases aren’t what they’re made out to be. There does appear to be some controversy over exactly what AIDS is we have heard about all the secrets, coverups and misinformation that get churned out. Housedust allergies, lice and athletes foot can be eliminated with cell salts – i.e., the nutritional approach. Is it any wonder that modern medicine still is unable to cure so many degenerative diseases. Interesting. I MUST write to The Lancet…
Whatever Sincerely, Mark, a real doctor
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca
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The reason why allopathic medicine is up shit creek without a paddle is that it doesn’t recognise the connection between nutrition and disease.
So you believe, but believing isn’t enough. How do you explain the recent PUBLISHED research done by these "allopaths" clearly showing that diet and exercise prevented TypeII diabetes, and was superior to drugs in doing so? There is the odd exception of course, where it has painted itself into a corner and can’t get out, it acknowledges some connections …such as with scurvy and rickets.
Hardly the odd exception … doctors have been telling patients to eat better and exercise more as long ago as the 1700s (actually, as long ago as Galen and Hippocrates). I heard a qualified medical person on a medical program this week, say that out of 6 years studying to be a doctor, there was only 2 actual hours devoted to nutrition.
Two hours for "nutrition" as a distinct subject … and the constant mention of "dietary factors" in the study of everything else from prenatal development to caring for the elderly. It’s tightly integrated into the entire curriculum, not presented in splendid isolation the way you seem to think it should be. Tsu Dho Nimh A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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The reason why allopathic medicine is up shit creek without a paddle is that it doesn’t recognise the connection between nutrition and disease. Isn’t 70% to 80% of sickness related to a nutrition problem?
In my viewpoint all disease is a nutritional deficiency of some sort. The Biochemic Handbook says "every disease known to man is a result of a deficiency of one or other of the cell salts" and everything I’ve ever had wrong with me seems to be resolved with cell salts, but that’s not to say that other people don’t have some useful therapies as well. There is more than one way to "skin a cat" so to speak. Yet I have cured myself of many ailments with the 12 essential cell salts – including asthma a so-called incurable condition. I am in the process of resolving food allergies thru use of a flora product.
Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca
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is metaphorically speaking Fortunately, many physicians are looking outside the allopathic medicine model for more useful information about nutrition and then using these alternative medicine techniques to help patients heal.
This normally happens once a practicing physician outlives his brainwashing and indoctrination and his educational costs. Once the practicing physician realizes the futility of trying to poison people into health, he will turn to alternative techniques. Takes about 20 years, on average, provided the physician really gives a shit. Should physicians try to offload their nutrition duties on dieticians, they might find the American Dietetics Association sharing their "fact" sheets supported by:
Yep, ADA dietitians are not nutritionists. Another place for physicians to get nutrition information is from general books by other physicians who have ignored the food industry PR to published their experiences about nutrition.
Ah, but these sources are not peer reviewed and do not represent triple blinded studies ( the observers have to be blind to the truth as well ) placebo controlled studies. While it would be ideal to get some information from the scientific journals, much more useful and/or accurate information can be found in books by authors such as Rapp, Ornish, McDougall, Pescatore, Blaylock, etc.
I will second that. Cee.
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The reason why allopathic medicine is up shit creek without a paddle is that it doesn’t recognise the connection between nutrition and disease. There is the odd exception of course, where it has painted itself into a corner and can’t get out, it acknowledges some connections …such as with scurvy and rickets.
Carole, I think that allopathic medicine is so behind as far as nutrition goes, that it is not at all surprising that tens of millions of people prefer to trust alternative / holistic medicine practitioners and/or books by such practitioners. Fortunately, many physicians are looking outside the allopathic medicine model for more useful information about nutrition and then using these alternative medicine techniques to help patients heal. It was becoming fairly common for MD’s to be part of alternative medicine practices in Boston (where I used to live a couple of years ago). I agree that most physicians have very little useful knowledge of nutrition partially due to their training. Physicians usually spend very little time (and often none) discussing nutrition with their patients. But since they are not trained in this area and since they usually do not have time to keep up with the independent research related to nutrition and various illnesses and prevention of illnesses, it is understandable that they tend not to spend much time with their patients on the issue. I think part of the issue is where physicians get their "nutritional information." Most of the information available to physicians comes directly or indirectly from the junk and dangerously unhealthy food industry. For example, American Academy of Family Physicians Reading Material from 1996 was written by: National Live Stock & Meat Board National Dairy Council General Mills / Cheerios Kelloggs National Association of Margarine Manufacturers Mazola and other companies with an interest in selling and protecting their products. As pointed out in another post, nutrition information from the American Society for Clinical Nutrition (on the FASEB site) is supported by: Monsanto Gerber Kelloggs Procter & Gamble The Sugar Association Campbell’s Coca Cola Kraft Foods McNeil Specialty Ross Products / Abbott Labs Sandoz Nutrition etc. Speaking of FASEB, they have an excellent journal, but their nutritional product review committees are often made up with industry consultants or other scientists with a conflict of interest. Should physicians try to offload their nutrition duties on dieticians, they might find the American Dietetics Association sharing their "fact" sheets supported by: McDonalds NutraSweet Proctor & Gamble The Sugar Association National Cattlemen’s Beef Association Gerber Hershey Foods The Steel Packaging Council (Canned food) Nabisco Ajinomoto (MSG & aspartame manufacturer) National Pork Producers Council National Association of Margarine Manufacturers The physicians wouldn’t fare much better for independent information if they scanned abstracts on Medline for the following reasons: 1. The food industry-funded research is rife with scientific fraud, deception, and studies that are designed to find a pre-determined outcomes. Some of the research from the food industry could nearly rival the "quality" of the tobacco industry research. 2. The abstracts often a) leaves out key pieces of information, or b) conflicts significantly with the data in the body of the paper, or c) discusses only a favorable subset of the data in the paper, or d) splits the data or manipulates it in such a way as to produce the desired text, or e) all of the above. 3. Medline searches usually only find a relatively small percentage of important studies. Searches of other databases are important. 4. In some cases, key studies related to food industry products are not published if the results do not benefit sales. It is also the case where key pieces of information are sometimes left out of both the absract and the study publication itself (e.g., hidden use of an active placebo) only to be reported in an abscure way years later. Another place where the physician will often find marginally useful nutrition information are the disease associations are are heavily-funded by some of the above-mentioned groups and get their information from these companies or their PR organizations (e.g., IFIC). The administrators of these organizations often have no nutrition training and will just repeat whatever their funding source has to say. But there are hopeful signs. A physician can sometimes go directly to government scientists. Government officials often put out "fact sheets" and reports that are non-sensical. But there are sometimes internal reports written by FDA and EPA scientists that are quite useful. Another place for physicians to get nutrition information is from general books by other physicians who have ignored the food industry PR to published their experiences about nutrition. There are many such books by physicians and more are coming out every day. While it would be ideal to get some information from the scientific journals, much more useful and/or accurate information can be found in books by authors such as Rapp, Ornish, McDougall, Pescatore, Blaylock, etc. Best Wishes, Mark Gold Holistic Medicine Resource Center 12 East Side Dr., #2-18 Concord, NH 03301 603-225-2110 http://www.HolisticMed.Com/
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The reason why allopathic medicine is up shit creek without a paddle is that it doesn’t recognise the connection between nutrition and disease. Isn’t 70% to 80% of sickness related to a nutrition problem?
No, George, it isn’t. And no matter how many times you ask that question, the answer is STILL going to be no. But you’re going to go on asking, aren’t you, you tiresome little sod? — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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metaphorically speaking Isn’t 70% to 80% of sickness related to a nutrition problem?
Look at it another way. The body strives for perfect health. If the body cannot provide the owner with perfect health, the default mode is to provide a longer life. You may not like the pain and suffering, but you continue to live. Faulty nutrition will cause deficiency diseases. Given the number of vitamins/minerals/nutrients/other factors needed, you can develop millions of deficiency diseases. Certainly enough to keep an army of docs busy categorizing and naming them. A faulty lifestyle allows the crud of life to accumulate in the system. The combination of deficiency and accumulation causes the diseases of degeneration, the chronic diseases such as arthritis and osteoporosis for which we have no excuses like bacteria or the virus. On this basis, 99.99 % of man