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Motherhood 'increases heart disease risk'
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Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com> wrote in article <36feeff4.654172…@news.erols.com>… : Wonder how many mothers they asked about their "activity" as opposed : to their "exercise?" New moms just sit around on their butts all day : eating bonbons and watching TV. Yup. I remember it well. ================================================ Some of them do. I remember several of my friends who did just that (and gained a lot of weight). They just popped jr. into a playpen and they watched TV most of the day, and/or yakked on the phone for hours. — Carol…. *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*
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Carol wrote: >Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com> wrote in article ><36feeff4.654172…@news.erols.com>… >: Wonder how many mothers they asked about their "activity" as opposed >: to their "exercise?" New moms just sit around on their butts all day >: eating bonbons and watching TV. Yup. I remember it well. >================================================ >Some of them do. I remember several of my friends who did just that >(and gained a lot of weight). They just popped jr. into a playpen and >they watched TV most of the day, and/or yakked on the phone for hours.
So the problem with the study is probably selection of study participants, and their findings may be perfectly valid given the participants in the study. Study message being….. plop that kid in a playpen all day and you increase your risk of heart disease. On the other hand …. Wendy hypo…@aol.com
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On 30 Mar 1999 15:51:51 GMT, hypo…@aol.com (Hypoint) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Carol wrote: >>Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com> wrote in article >><36feeff4.654172…@news.erols.com>… >>: Wonder how many mothers they asked about their "activity" as opposed >>: to their "exercise?" New moms just sit around on their butts all day >>: eating bonbons and watching TV. Yup. I remember it well. >>================================================ >>Some of them do. I remember several of my friends who did just that >>(and gained a lot of weight). They just popped jr. into a playpen and >>they watched TV most of the day, and/or yakked on the phone for hours. >So the problem with the study is probably selection of study participants, and >their findings may be perfectly valid given the participants in the study. >Study message being….. plop that kid in a playpen all day and you increase >your risk of heart disease. On the other hand …. >Wendy >hypo…@aol.com
There’s still just the little matter of diapers, feedings, laundry, interrupted sleep. I don’t know of any new mother even the poorest (in the sense of worst) of them who didn’t at least provide that minimal care. And that minimal care alone is Exercise with an upper case e. Terri
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On 29 Mar 1999 16:04:36 GMT, hypo…@aol.com (Hypoint) wrote: >The last three paragraphs of the news article:
Just had to add my 2 cents on this thread,my aunt had 17 children she is in her late seventies now,not a heart problem in sight fit as a fiddle you might say.Gee I wish they gather material like this for their studies,they may be more believable.Don’t you think? Kit
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Kathryn <droz…@home.com> wrote in article <36feec2e.1134132@news>… : : I lost 10 pounds after the birth of my first child and I am speaking : of a drop from my pre pregnancy weight. Sedentary NOT. ========================================= I lost more then 10 pounds from the AGGRAVATION! :O) — Carol…. *~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tishy wrote: >(Hypoint) wrote: >>These are the last three paragraphs of the article that Kathryn posted the >URL >>for. She was concerned that the study didn’t appear to take into account >>activity new mothers might engage in other than leisure-type exercises. I >>wanted to let it be known that the article that presented the ‘news’ also >>pointed this out. >I was puzzled because I had only read the Yahoo URL which Kathryn >posted.. The BBC one is much more comprehensive and does indeed have >the paragraphs you posted which is understandable since the British >would naturally want to have British commentary on an Amercian study. >It has much more background and comment than the brief Reuters >version. That will teach me to rely on only one source!
You only looked at the first source, and I only looked at the second. I found one leg of the ‘elephant’ Kathryn led up to us and you found the other. Wendy hypo…@aol.com
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On 29 Mar 1999 16:04:36 GMT, hypo…@aol.com (Hypoint) wrote: >The last three paragraphs of the news article: >"The British Heart Foundation said the study appeared to >support the need to assess the amount of activity carried out >by parents, especially first time mothers. >However, in a statement, the BHF added: "It would appear >that this research does not take into consideration the >various forms of activity involved in caring for a new child, >such as walking the baby in the pram, lifting the child, >housework and swimming. >"These all contribute to overall levels of physical activity, >which could be of benefit to the mother."
Where did you find this news article Wendy? Nice to see that other presumably more powerful folks than we are on asm are equally as practically minded and agree with us here. Tishy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tishy wrote: >(Hypoint) wrote: >>The last three paragraphs of the news article: >>"The British Heart Foundation said the study appeared to >>support the need to assess the amount of activity carried out >>by parents, especially first time mothers. >>However, in a statement, the BHF added: "It would appear >>that this research does not take into consideration the >>various forms of activity involved in caring for a new child, >>such as walking the baby in the pram, lifting the child, >>housework and swimming. >>"These all contribute to overall levels of physical activity, >>which could be of benefit to the mother." >Where did you find this news article Wendy? Nice to see that other >presumably more powerful folks than we are on asm are equally as >practically minded and agree with us here. >Tishy
These are the last three paragraphs of the article that Kathryn posted the URL for. She was concerned that the study didn’t appear to take into account activity new mothers might engage in other than leisure-type exercises. I wanted to let it be known that the article that presented the ‘news’ also pointed this out. Wendy hypo…@aol.com
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On 29 Mar 1999 16:42:09 GMT, hypo…@aol.com (Hypoint) wrote: >These are the last three paragraphs of the article that Kathryn posted the URL >for. She was concerned that the study didn’t appear to take into account >activity new mothers might engage in other than leisure-type exercises. I >wanted to let it be known that the article that presented the ‘news’ also >pointed this out.
I was puzzled because I had only read the Yahoo URL which Kathryn posted.. The BBC one is much more comprehensive and does indeed have the paragraphs you posted which is understandable since the British would naturally want to have British commentary on an Amercian study. It has much more background and comment than the brief Reuters version. That will teach me to rely on only one source! Tishy
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On 29 Mar 1999 16:04:36 GMT, hypo…@aol.com (Hypoint) wrote: >The last three paragraphs of the news article: >"The British Heart Foundation said the study appeared to >support the need to assess the amount of activity carried out >by parents, especially first time mothers. >However, in a statement, the BHF added: "It would appear >that this research does not take into consideration the >various forms of activity involved in caring for a new child, >such as walking the baby in the pram, lifting the child, >housework and swimming. >"These all contribute to overall levels of physical activity, >which could be of benefit to the mother." >Wendy >hypo…@aol.com
Exactly, the reason I posted this story to asm Wendy was to show that many studies that are being reported in the media as breakthrough information have some serious flaws in the methodology of the study in the first place. If the BBC went to the British Heart Foundation and found out the study was really meaningless in regard to future heart disease risk, well why did they report the story? Because is was human interest I’ll bet. And the medical profession wonder why "compliance" is a problem when they suggest HRT might prevent heart disease. The second url I posted http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990328/sc… U.S. Study Says Mothers’ Hearts More At Risk Had fewer details still. The facts do not match the headline. Just like the Chocolate helping heart disease headline. I posted that story too to show that things are not always what they seem when we read the media reports. Kathryn droz…@home.com
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This is the stupidest study I ever read about. I really do not know why this made it past the media. Really. They compared the amount of exercise that women did before having their first child to the amount after having a child. They found the amount of EU or "exercise units" went down. From this they determined that new mothers were more sedantary and as this is a risk of heart disease that having children means mothers are at a greater risk of heart disease. Whoa, there. How do they define these exercise units? Does it consider any of the activities that go on to care for a child? No. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_304000/304495.stm Motherhood ‘increases heart disease risk’ and http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990328/sc… U.S. Study Says Mothers’ Hearts More At Risk This ’study’ was presented at the AHA meeting on epidemiology and prevention.in Orlando Florida in Friday. I lost 10 pounds after the birth of my first child and I am speaking of a drop from my pre pregnancy weight. Sedentary NOT. Kathryn droz…@home.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:05:22 GMT, droz…@home.com (Kathryn) wrote: >This is the stupidest study I ever read about. I really do not know >why this made it past the media. Really. >They compared the amount of exercise that women did before having >their first child to the amount after having a child. They found the >amount of EU or "exercise units" went down. From this they determined >that new mothers were more sedantary and as this is a risk of heart >disease that having children means mothers are at a greater risk of >heart disease. >Whoa, there. How do they define these exercise units? Does it consider >any of the activities that go on to care for a child? No. >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_304000/304495.stm >Motherhood ‘increases heart disease risk’ >and >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990328/sc… >U.S. Study Says Mothers’ Hearts More At Risk >This ’study’ was presented at the AHA meeting on epidemiology and >prevention.in Orlando Florida in Friday. >I lost 10 pounds after the birth of my first child and I am speaking >of a drop from my pre pregnancy weight. Sedentary NOT. >Kathryn >droz…@home.com
Wonder how many mothers they asked about their "activity" as opposed to their "exercise?" New moms just sit around on their butts all day eating bonbons and watching TV. Yup. I remember it well. Terri
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Terri wrote: >droz…@home.com (Kathryn) wrote: >>This is the stupidest study I ever read about. I really do not know >>why this made it past the media. Really. >>They compared the amount of exercise that women did before having >>their first child to the amount after having a child. They found the >>amount of EU or "exercise units" went down. From this they determined >>that new mothers were more sedantary and as this is a risk of heart >>disease that having children means mothers are at a greater risk of >>heart disease. >>Whoa, there. How do they define these exercise units? Does it consider >>any of the activities that go on to care for a child? No. >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_304000/304495.stm >>Motherhood ‘increases heart disease risk’ >>and >>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990328/sc/he
alth_motherhood_3.html >>U.S. Study Says Mothers’ Hearts More At Risk >>This ’study’ was presented at the AHA meeting on epidemiology and >>prevention.in Orlando Florida in Friday. >>I lost 10 pounds after the birth of my first child and I am speaking >>of a drop from my pre pregnancy weight. Sedentary NOT. >>Kathryn >>droz…@home.com >Wonder how many mothers they asked about their "activity" as opposed >to their "exercise?" New moms just sit around on their butts all day >eating bonbons and watching TV. Yup. I remember it well.
The last three paragraphs of the news article: "The British Heart Foundation said the study appeared to support the need to assess the amount of activity carried out by parents, especially first time mothers. However, in a statement, the BHF added: "It would appear that this research does not take into consideration the various forms of activity involved in caring for a new child, such as walking the baby in the pram, lifting the child, housework and swimming. "These all contribute to overall levels of physical activity, which could be of benefit to the mother." Wendy hypo…@aol.com