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ECA mini FAQ
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Disclaimer: This was written off the top of my head, and is filled with MHO’s. It is not to be taken as medical, or any other kind of, advice. It is not intended as a substitute for your own research. 1. What is the ECA stack? ECA stands for ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin. Together, these drugs are a powerful weight loss tool. 2. Is ephedrine safe? Yes. Remember, safe is a relative term. People with certain conditions, such as hypertension, are more likely to have problems with ephedrine. Minor side effects, such as "the jitters" are rather common, especially when one starts the stack. Strokes, heart attacks and other serious side effects are very rare. 3. How much do people take? Commonly people take the stack 3 times a day. Here are some dosages I have seen: 200 C 20-25 E 200 C 25 E 81 or 325 A 50 C 25 E 110 A 4. Where can I get the stack? There are many pre made herbal stacks. IMHO, it is best to stick to standardized extracts with the amounts of the drugs they contain on the label. You can also get the ingredients in local drug stores or online. 5. Where can I find out more? You can find more about the scientific basis for the stack by doing a medline search (http://www.healthgate.com). You can find out more about personal experiences with the stack in alt.supprot.diet and a.s.d.rx. (As well as more scientific info) J
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Gracias, merci, THANK YOU!
Glad it helped. I’m going to post it from time to time. J
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Not a dumb question and no, it’s not. It’s a benzodiazepine. You could ask your pharmacist, also 
Gary Mitchell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dumb question, I know, but how does one determine if a drug is an MAO inhibitor medication? I take Xanax (alprazolam) occsionally for panic attacks which I am subject to (such as getting on an airplane) and while I have read lots of info about it on the net I have never seen anywhere which states whether it is or is not an MAO inhibitor med. — Debbie dcusick at prodigy dot net "Some people can tell time by the sun, but I was never able to make out the numbers." I think you should add the list of conditions which with folks are NOT recommended to try ephedrine without consulting a doctor: diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood pressure, enlarged prostate, or taking any MAO inhibitor mediications.
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Dumb question, I know, but how does one determine if a drug is an MAO inhibitor medication? I take Xanax (alprazolam) occsionally for panic attacks which I am subject to (such as getting on an airplane) and while I have read lots of info about it on the net I have never seen anywhere which states whether it is or is not an MAO inhibitor med.
Xanax is not a MAOI. Get ye "The Pill Book", lots of good info. Nardil is the only MAOI that comes to mind, and there are many, many things you have to avoid while on them. Like some wines and cheeses. J
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A very nice mini-FAQ, Jet. I have a couple of suggestions….
Thanks, and thanks for the suggestions. I am going to save your post and keep it as I revise the mini FAQ. J
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A very nice mini-FAQ, Jet. I have a couple of suggestions…. 2. Is ephedrine safe? Yes. Remember, safe is a relative term. People with certain conditions, such as hypertension, are more likely to have problems with ephedrine. Minor side effects, such as "the jitters" are rather common, especially when one starts the stack. Strokes, heart attacks and other serious side effects are very rare.
I think you should add the list of conditions which with folks are NOT recommended to try ephedrine without consulting a doctor: diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood pressure, enlarged prostate, or taking any MAO inhibitor mediications. I’d also like to suggest that you add some of the URL’s for ECA articles, rather than just the med search. A lot of the people asking are probably not experienced enough to do the search, or may not have the medical background to make reasonable sense of medical research extracts. I know there are several sites that other people have mentioned here lately, and the ones I know off the top of my head are http://home.inreach.com/dietman/eca1.html http://home.inreach.com/dietman/eca2.html I have a canned response that I’ve been sending to folks asking about "what’s ECA?", which I’ve posted below. (feel free to incorporate anything into your mini-FAQ, if you want, and feel free to correct me on my canned letter.) If you do NOT have diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood pressure, enlarged prostate, and are not taking any MAO inhibitors: you might want to look into the ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin). It’s assembled by you from over the counter ingredients, and supposedly works as well as phen/fen. I never took phen/fen, so I can’t confirm that with my own experience. You can read info about it at the LowCarb Retreat. http://home.inreach.com/dietman/eca1.html http://home.inreach.com/dietman/eca2.html If you decide to try it, start with no more than a half dose. It may take a week or two to work up to a full dose, as the jittery effects wear off. Several of the Twinlab Brand formulas (such as Ripped Fuel, Diet Fuel, Herba Fuel, and Metabolift…) contain the ephedrine and caffeine in the forms of Ma Haung and Guarana or Ma Huang and Green Tea extract (plus some other ingredients that may or may not be helpful, but are at least harmless). The Twinlab products are more expensive than other sources, but conveniently balanced for the ephedrine and caffeine. I believe the Metabolift also contains the aspirin, in the form of a willow extract. The Twinlab products will probably run $20 to $30 a month (at 2 doses a day. More if you can manage 3 x day without it keeping you up at night.) There is another formula that other people in the newsgroup have mentioned as carried at GNC that I believe contains all 3 ingredients. I’ve forgotten its name, but the price was quoted around $40 per month. A lot of people use Primatene tablets for the ephedrine (sold over the counter for asthma), or tablets called Mini-thins (or Mini-whites or Mini-tabs) that are often sold at truck stops (one tablet contains the same ingredients as 2 Primatene). A bottle of 60 Mini-thins cost me $6.99 recently at a truck stop, and a large package of generic NoDoz/Vivarin caffeine tabs cost me about $2.99 at WalMart. That and a bottle of baby aspirin, and I’m all set. A pill cutter might be a good investment for a few bucks when you’re first starting, to easily cut tablets in half. — "There’s a seeker born every minute."
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Gracias, merci, THANK YOU! I’m stopping at the health food store tomorrow after reading about stacking all weekend. http://members.ultracom.net/karens/ ( please leave out the POTATOES to e-mail )
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Jet, Great job, I think this FAQ will be a great resource for this group, I made a few additions to the FAQ, let me know what you think. I would just like to make a clarification in the dosage area for people that are not familiar to the stack at all, see below, I also added some info on sources of Ephedrine, ’cause if you are new too all of this that can be your biggest challenge,
Thanks. I thought about the ECA order also, but didn’t feel like changing it at the time. I was also going to include some specific sources of E, with no commercial interest disclaimers, and links…but then it wouldn’t have been a mini FAQ. and I also added a link to an article posted on the web, that is a great source for futher information. Tricia
So, cool, I have recieved a few suggestions and more info, so I will take some time and make a FAQ worthy of the name. J
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"ASK" a real live person? You’ve got to me kidding! What do I have the net for? — Debbie dcusick at prodigy dot net "Some people can tell time by the sun, but I was never able to make out the numbers." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a dumb question and no, it’s not. It’s a benzodiazepine. You could ask your pharmacist, also Gary Mitchell
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I’d love to hear the rest of your article. Thanks. Malinda
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parnate and nardil come to mind! rosie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"ASK" a real live person? You’ve got to me kidding! What do I have the net for? — Debbie dcusick at prodigy dot net "Some people can tell time by the sun, but I was never able to make out the numbers." Not a dumb question and no, it’s not. It’s a benzodiazepine. You could ask your pharmacist, also Gary Mitchell
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There’s a history. Gary Mitchell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am totally confused, I dont see why jet trashed Joyce for her post. could someone please explain. Cindi Great follow up message. This is a non prescription cocktail of ingredients. Really? Without your wonderful post nobody would have guessed, you dumb ass racist. We don’t all suffer from brain fog, like you do. Hope you don’t fall asleep while typing. It has worked for some; for me it is a choice I am not willing to make knowing the potential for harm. But you fall asleep without warining, can’t remember where you are and yet still drive? Yep, sounds like you have a good grasp of benefit/risk. Hopefully someday there will be an obesity medication for those of us who are on other meds that raise the potential for heart problems. Maybe one day they will find a cure for bigotry. So, tell me again why you think the people in your HR dept couldn’t grasp your problem. J
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Great follow up message. This is a non prescription cocktail of ingredients.
Really? Without your wonderful post nobody would have guessed, you dumb ass racist. We don’t all suffer from brain fog, like you do. Hope you don’t fall asleep while typing. It has worked for some; for me it is a choice I am not willing to make knowing the potential for harm.
But you fall asleep without warining, can’t remember where you are and yet still drive? Yep, sounds like you have a good grasp of benefit/risk. Hopefully someday there will be an obesity medication for those of us who are on other meds that raise the potential for heart problems.
Maybe one day they will find a cure for bigotry. So, tell me again why you think the people in your HR dept couldn’t grasp your problem. J
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Great follow up message. This is a non prescription cocktail of ingredients. I would warn anyone to check with his/her doctor before beginning the ECA or any over the counter program, to minimize the possibility of side effects. This is especially true if you are taking any current prescriptions for any reasons. It has worked for some; for me it is a choice I am not willing to make knowing the potential for harm. Hopefully someday there will be an obesity medication for those of us who are on other meds that raise the potential for heart problems. Joyce
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I am totally confused, I dont see why jet trashed Joyce for her post. could someone please explain.
Joyce is a racist, and I can’t stand her for that reason. Here is a quote from her: Newsgroups: alt.discrimination [More Headers] [Subscribe to alt.discrimination] Well, my white brother was pulled from his bed a few days before Christmas, stabbed and left to die because a black drug addict wanted money to spend on crack in order to get sex from a black prostitute. Guess my brother shouldn’t have gone to work and earned the paycheck which forced the blacks to rob him, huh?
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I believe Zyban, which is pretty much the same thing as another med called Welbutrin, is in a family of drugs called SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a dumb question at all!!! I have wondered the same myself! I took Zyban, which gave the same instructions regarding MAO inhibitors…and now take Meridia which says the same thing. I do not take other meds so I know that I am ok, but I always wondered the same thing. Does MAO inhibitor effect seratonin levels????
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That is some nasty shit that she wrote, I can see where your anger comes from.
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You’d have to checkout the asd-rx to know why. — K in Cali ECA INFO http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4039/eca.htm Cindi wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am totally confused, I dont see why jet trashed Joyce for her post. could someone please explain. Cindi Great follow up message. This is a non prescription cocktail of ingredients. Really? Without your wonderful post nobody would have guessed, you dumb ass racist. We don’t all suffer from brain fog, like you do. Hope you don’t fall asleep while typing. It has worked for some; for me it is a choice I am not willing to make knowing the potential for harm. But you fall asleep without warining, can’t remember where you are and yet still drive? Yep, sounds like you have a good grasp of benefit/risk. Hopefully someday there will be an obesity medication for those of us who are on other meds that raise the potential for heart problems. Maybe one day they will find a cure for bigotry. So, tell me again why you think the people in your HR dept couldn’t grasp your problem. J
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <BR That is some nasty shit that she wrote, I can see where your anger comes<BR from.< I know my hatred of her is irrational, but my chain really gets jerked<BR by seeing that racist bitch’s name! Jet I would think you’d have a good reason to turn her sorry ass in, I cannot believe she would write that over the net, let alone think anything like that.
I think I will just start sending her racist swill to MSN, and hope they kick her cross-burning ass off, and keep my hatered for her off of the group. J
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Dumb question, I know, but how does one determine if a drug is an MAO inhibitor medication? I take Xanax (alprazolam) occsionally for panic attacks which I am subject to (such as getting on an airplane) and while I have read lots of info about it on the net I have never seen anywhere which states whether it is or is not an MAO inhibitor med. — Debbie dcusick at prodigy dot net "Some people can tell time by the sun, but I was never able to make out the numbers." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think you should add the list of conditions which with folks are NOT recommended to try ephedrine without consulting a doctor: diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood pressure, enlarged prostate, or taking any MAO inhibitor mediications.
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Jet, Great job, I think this FAQ will be a great resource for this group, I made a few additions to the FAQ, let me know what you think. I would just like to make a clarification in the dosage area for people that are not familiar to the stack at all, see below, I also added some info on sources of Ephedrine, ’cause if you are new too all of this that can be your biggest challenge, and I also added a link to an article posted on the web, that is a great source for futher information. Tricia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Disclaimer: This was written off the top of my head, and is filled with MHO’s. It is not to be taken as medical, or any other kind of, advice. It is not intended as a substitute for your own research. 1. What is the ECA stack? ECA stands for ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin. Together, these drugs are a powerful weight loss tool. 2. Is ephedrine safe? Yes. Remember, safe is a relative term. People with certain conditions, such as hypertension, are more likely to have problems with ephedrine. Minor side effects, such as "the jitters" are rather common, especially when one starts the stack. Strokes, heart attacks and other serious side effects are very rare. 3. How much do people take? Commonly people take the stack 3 times a day. Here are some dosages I have seen:
–my changes –(note that I spelled out the ephedrine/caffeine/asprin, I think this makes the section more clear, I also changed the order, you had the C listed first, and whereas it is an ECA stack I thought It would was better suited to keep them in the ECA Order. I also put a note next to the first one since, as far as I have seen, is the most common dosage) 25 mg Ephedrine/200mg Caffeine/81 Asprin — the most common dosage 25 mg Ephedrine/200mg Caffeine/325 Asprin 25 mg Ephedrine/200mg Caffeine/ 25 mg Ephedrine/50mg Caffeine/110 Asprin 4. Where can I get the stack? There are many pre made herbal stacks. IMHO, it is best to stick to standardized extracts with the amounts of the drugs they contain on the label. You can also get the ingredients in local drug stores or online.
—- (anyone want to list some other resources or, names of premade stacks and where they can be purchased?) In local drug stores you can purchase Primitene asthma which contains Ephedrine Local GNC Stores – Found in local malls Sell Herbal forms of Ephedrine Online resources for Ephedrine: http://www.bdip.com BDI Pharmaceuticals (also has caffeine) Marketed as "Dynafed Asthma" - otherwise known as Mini-thins, dont confuse them with mini-slims which are a dexatrim like pill. 5. Where can I find out more? You can find more about the scientific basis for the stack by doing a medline search (http://www.healthgate.com).
Another usefull page with information: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4039/eca.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You can find out more about personal experiences with the stack in alt.supprot.diet and a.s.d.rx. (As well as more scientific info) J
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Dumb question, I know, but how does one determine if a drug is an MAO inhibitor medication? I take Xanax (alprazolam) occsionally for panic attacks which I am subject to (such as getting on an airplane) and while I have read lots of info about it on the net I have never seen anywhere which states whether it is or is not an MAO inhibitor med.
If I was taking it , I’d call the pharmacist and ask. — "There’s a seeker born every minute."
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Not a dumb question at all!!! I have wondered the same myself! I took Zyban, which gave the same instructions regarding MAO inhibitors…and now take Meridia which says the same thing. I do not take other meds so I know that I am ok, but I always wondered the same thing. Does MAO inhibitor effect seratonin levels???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dumb question, I know, but how does one determine if a drug is an MAO inhibitor medication? I take Xanax (alprazolam) occsionally for panic attacks which I am subject to (such as getting on an airplane) and while I have read lots of info about it on the net I have never seen anywhere which states whether it is or is not an MAO inhibitor med. — Debbie dcusick at prodigy dot net "Some people can tell time by the sun, but I was never able to make out the numbers." I think you should add the list of conditions which with folks are NOT recommended to try ephedrine without consulting a doctor: diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood pressure, enlarged prostate, or taking any MAO inhibitor mediications.
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That is some nasty shit that she wrote, I can see where your anger comes from.
I know my hatred of her is irrational, but my chain really gets jerked by seeing that racist bitch’s name! J
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I am totally confused, I dont see why jet trashed Joyce for her post. could someone please explain. Cindi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great follow up message. This is a non prescription cocktail of ingredients. Really? Without your wonderful post nobody would have guessed, you dumb ass racist. We don’t all suffer from brain fog, like you do. Hope you don’t fall asleep while typing. It has worked for some; for me it is a choice I am not willing to make knowing the potential for harm. But you fall asleep without warining, can’t remember where you are and yet still drive? Yep, sounds like you have a good grasp of benefit/risk. Hopefully someday there will be an obesity medication for those of us who are on other meds that raise the potential for heart problems. Maybe one day they will find a cure for bigotry. So, tell me again why you think the people in your HR dept couldn’t grasp your problem. J