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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on your arteries, it cannot be removed.  It’s there forever.  My sister agrees.  She’s had some pre med school and her husband is an RN in the Navy, so perhaps she’d know since I’m sure discussions come up about it at home from time to time.  But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this? I find it amazing that for all the body can do to defend itself from invaders, there is nothing that can be done about arterial plaque.  I don’t know that I have a problem with it, but just like you don’t want to wait for cavities to start brushing your teeth, I’d rather not wait for heart attacks, dizzy spells or strokes to start cleaning my arteries. Damaeus

I don’t believe you can’t remove plaque from the arteries. Paul Bragg, the nature cure person in books such as ‘The Miracle of Fasting’ was shown to have very healthy arteries when he died in a boating accident at the age of 94. From memory I think he was said to have the arterial health normally found in an 18 year old, or something like that. He believed in living naturally, fasting and eating only vegetables, fruits and nuts. Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca

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: I don’t believe you can’t remove plaque from the arteries. : Paul Bragg, the nature cure person in books such as ‘The Miracle of : Fasting’ was shown to have very healthy arteries when he died in a : boating accident at the age of 94. From memory I think he was said to : have the arterial health normally found in an 18 year old, or : something like that. It’s much more likely that he didn’t have much in the way of plaque in the first place.  Plaque is not just goo or sludge sticking to the side of the artery wall.  It actually is a complex knot of fibrous tissue and lipid materials, rather more like a scar with varying amounts of fatty material inside the capsule.   One of the big challenges in determining whether it’s possible to remove plaque is that it is very tough to measure accurately.  AFAIK, the current techniques still have a fairly large amount of measurement error in them, making it difficult, if not impossible to ascertain whether there is true change or just artefact of measurement. : He believed in living naturally, fasting and eating only vegetables, : fruits and nuts. "Living naturally," if one could really define it, is no guarantee at all of reduced risk of disease.  I’d argue the converse, actually.  "Natural living" would seem rather dangerous to me.  Reharding heart disease, one can find plenty of atherogenic materials in nature.  Sticking to fruits, vegetables, and nuts probably does help reduce risk, but it is certainly possible to have atherosclerotic disease even with a very good diet. Mike Babyak

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I don’t believe you can’t remove plaque from the arteries. : Paul Bragg, the nature cure person in books such as ‘The Miracle of : Fasting’ was shown to have very healthy arteries when he died in a : boating accident at the age of 94. From memory I think he was said to : have the arterial health normally found in an 18 year old, or : something like that. It’s much more likely that he didn’t have much in the way of plaque in the first place.  Plaque is not just goo or sludge sticking to the side of the artery wall.  It actually is a complex knot of fibrous tissue and lipid materials, rather more like a scar with varying amounts of fatty material inside the capsule.   One of the big challenges in determining whether it’s possible to remove plaque is that it is very tough to measure accurately.  AFAIK, the current techniques still have a fairly large amount of measurement error in them, making it difficult, if not impossible to ascertain whether there is true change or just artefact of measurement. : He believed in living naturally, fasting and eating only vegetables, : fruits and nuts. "Living naturally," if one could really define it, is no guarantee at all of reduced risk of disease.  I’d argue the converse, actually.  "Natural living" would seem rather dangerous to me.  Reharding heart disease, one can find plenty of atherogenic materials in nature.  Sticking to fruits, vegetables, and nuts probably does help reduce risk, but it is certainly possible to have atherosclerotic disease even with a very good diet. Mike Babyak

My theory is that silica / silicon dioxide, one of the 12 cell salts has a big influence on atherosclerosis. From The Health Almanac by Lavonne J.Dunne, 3rd ed. "Silicon is present in the connective tissues of the body such as tendons, cartilage, and blood vesle,s and it is possible that the mineral is essential for their integrity. … Studies have shown that the amount of silicon in the arteries begins to decline as atherosclerosis starts to develop. The best known sources of silicon are hard drinking water and plant fibre." NOTE (from above) that silica is found in plant fibre. We are all encouraged to eat a lot of fibre and maybe its beneficial effect is due to the silicon in it. Read more about silicon at http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v05je04.htm    "Observations in humans indicated that various conditions such as     lung diseases, chronic diseases and especially growth retardation in     children were associated with silicon deficiency. Therefore he     recommended silicon therapy for conditions characterized by under-     developed and/or damaged mesenchymal tissues (Monceaux, 1973). Carole http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca

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Silicon…. sand is made of silicon, isn’t it?  Why not just go to the beach and have a dinner of sand, mussels and crabs?

I was just going to swallow an old 386 I’ve got in my basement.

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But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this?

The combination of honey and apple cider vinegar, with or withour the water, has been touted as a cure-all since before arterial plaque was linked with deaths from heart disease. I find it amazing that for all the body can do to defend itself from invaders, there is nothing that can be done about arterial plaque.  I don’t know that I have a problem with it, but just like you don’t want to wait for cavities to start brushing your teeth, I’d rather not wait for heart attacks, dizzy spells or strokes to start cleaning my arteries.

Well, the best prevention is to eat better (less fatty foods, more fresh fruits and vegetables) and exercise more (brisk walking and moderate weight training).   Tsu Dho Nimh It is my job to completely create professional technology in order that we may seamlessly supply competitive data.

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on your arteries, it cannot be removed.  It’s there forever.  My sister agrees.  She’s had some pre med school and her husband is an RN in the Navy, so perhaps she’d know since I’m sure discussions come up about it at home from time to time.  But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this?

How do you inject the vinegar into the arteries? Have you tried pipe cleaners? Chris Noble

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buildup on your arteries, it cannot be removed.  It’s there forever.  My sister agrees.  She’s had some pre med school and her husband is an RN in the Navy, so perhaps she’d know since I’m sure discussions come up about it at home from time to time.  But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this?

I think this could work, but you have to apply it directly to the affected artery – I’m not sure your medical insurance will cover it though….

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Think of plaque as scar tissue.  Take a look at that little scar you might have on your hand.  I’d try whatever compound people suggest on that imperfection first to see if it works.   But you have a good point:  A pound of prevention…. A baby aspirin a day helps keep the doc (and plaque) away. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this?

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A baby aspirin a day helps keep the doc (and plaque) away.

Nope — the plaque isn’t prevented or removed.  What aspirin does is keep clots from forming which would otherwise complete the plug when something (e.g. a chunk of plaque busts loose) lodges in a partially-blocked artery. — |              If it were easy, it wouldn’t be fun!             |

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Don’t take the aspirin if you have stomach problems. Gwen

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Don’t take the aspirin if you have stomach problems. Gwen

Also, inform your doctors that you take aspirin if you ever need to have any kind of surgery.  They may have you discontinue taking it for a time period before & after the surgery to make sure there’s no problem with excessive bleeding that can occur under such circumstances if you take aspirin regularly. Michele

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A baby aspirin a day helps keep the doc (and plaque) away. Nope — the plaque isn’t prevented or removed.  What aspirin does is keep clots from forming which would otherwise complete the plug when something (e.g. a chunk of plaque busts loose) lodges in a partially-blocked artery.

Actually, the natural history of plaque growth includes repeated fissuring and thrombosis (clot formation).  Aspirin, by reducing thrombosis, actually slows down plaque growth too. — Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Atlanta Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com

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A baby aspirin a day helps keep the doc (and plaque) away. Nope — the plaque isn’t prevented or removed.  What aspirin does is keep clots from forming which would otherwise complete the plug when something (e.g. a chunk of plaque busts loose) lodges in a partially-blocked artery. Actually, the natural history of plaque growth includes repeated fissuring and thrombosis (clot formation).  Aspirin, by reducing thrombosis, actually slows down plaque growth too.

Thanks — nice to learn something here! — |      An engineer is someone who will spend three hours        | |      figuring out how to do a two-hour job in one hour.       |

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Think of plaque as scar tissue.  Take a look at that little scar you might have on your hand.  I’d try whatever compound people suggest on that imperfection first to see if it works.   About 10 years ago I started taking about 400 IU of vit most days. I notice that about half of the minor scars I had carried since childhood (I’m 60) have now gone

I’m missing quite a few that were acquired in childhood, and have NOT been taking "400 IU of vit E" daily.  I think I’ll give the chocolate I eat almost daily for the scar vanishing. Many scars WILL fade, slowly, no matter what you do.   Tsu Dho Nimh — This message has been modified from its original version. It has been formatted to fit your brain.

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My point, rather vaguely expressed, was that I had a number of scars acquired in childhood, mostly due to accidents with sharp tools, which I carried without apparent change until I was 50. During the last 10 years of vit E consumption more than half of these scars have gone completely. In other words I carried them unchanged from age 10ish to 50, then lost half of them between 50 and 60. It does look as though something dramatic happened to my scar recovery capacity bewtween the ages of 50 and 60. Of course I may be wrong to blame vit E for this, since I changed my diet in many ways at age 50. For example, I also started eating a lot more chocolate and drinking a lot less alcohol.

Also, skin of elderly people is thinner, which would contribute to the fading od some of the scars. Tsu Dho Nimh — This message has been modified from its original version. It has been formatted to fit your brain.

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on your arteries, it cannot be removed.  It’s there forever.  My sister agrees.  She’s had some pre med school and her husband is an RN in the Navy, so perhaps she’d know since I’m sure discussions come up about it at home from time to time.  But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this?

wishful thinking. I find it amazing that for all the body can do to defend itself from invaders, there is nothing that can be done about arterial plaque.

plaque is the body’s attempt to heal vessel damage.  I don’t know that I have a problem with it, but just like you don’t want to wait for cavities to start brushing your teeth, I’d rather not wait for heart attacks, dizzy spells or strokes to start cleaning my arteries.

Good analogy… once you have cavities (like arterial plaques), there is no way to make them go away. So you avoid sweets and brush regularly (avoid fats and cholesterol, stop smoking, lose weight, exercise regularly). — Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Atlanta Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com

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on your arteries, it cannot be removed.  It’s there forever.  My sister agrees.  She’s had some pre med school and her husband is an RN in the Navy, so perhaps she’d know since I’m sure discussions come up about it at home from time to time.  But there are claims that a concoction of honey, natural apple cider vinegar and water will dissolve that plaque.  Any comments on this? I find it amazing that for all the body can do to defend itself from invaders, there is nothing that can be done about arterial plaque.  I don’t know that I have a problem with it, but just like you don’t want to wait for cavities to start brushing your teeth, I’d rather not wait for heart attacks, dizzy spells or strokes to start cleaning my arteries. Damaeus

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