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Pyotya wrote: > I’ve never been as severly depressed as Kitz, but I’ve enough experience of > the disease to know that it’s a hell of a lot more than merely feeling a bit > miserable. Just b/cos you know what it’s like to be unhappy doesn’t mean > you’ve any idea what depression is like. Kitz makes an excellent job of > describing it in her original post. > After taking St Johns Wort and Serotin 5htp for a few months I realised that > I’d actually been mildly depressed for as long as I could remember. The > change in my state of mind was -remarkable. It’s almost like I’ve been given > a new life to play around with. > P.

I had an episode of moderately severe depression (and anxiety) once as a teenager, although not as severe as Kitz. I didn’t get any treatment for it, and I got better without it, but I wish now I’d got treatment – it would have saved a lot of lost time. Since then I’ve had occasional mild depression, but never bad enough to be disabling. I’ve found St Johns wort helpful with this too, but I always seem to ‘bounce back’ automatically whether I take it or not. I can relate to not realising that you are (mildly) depressed until you start to feel better. One thing I like about feeling better is starting to appreciate ordinary things that I wasn’t enjoying before (and which other people take for granted). Its a bit like coming out of the cinema, and everything outside seeming bright and intense, while to most people (who weren’t in the dark) everything seems as usual. Apparently st johns wort can interfere with the effectiveness of other medications though, so its something to be careful about if you take anything else. Ely

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>No I’ve never been clinically depressed…

Then fuck off. – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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I said: >Then fuck off.

That was rude of me.  Sorry. – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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kitznegari and the infinite sadness <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]… > I said: > >Then fuck off. > That was rude of me.  Sorry.

Don’t worry I lost the emotion of getting mad at people. Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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> Do you think cancer, diabetes and heart disease are all in the mind? Clinical > depression is an illness. Its associated with imbalance in

neurotransmitters in > the brain and severe physiological symptoms, like diabetes is associated with a > lack of insulin and severe physical symptoms. Thats how the medication works, by > addressing the imbalance. Its insulting to somebody with a serious illness, to > say they are imagining it.

You see why I think everytime I speak/give my opinion I think it’s a mistake. Anyways I knew someone would come with obvious physical illness.  Now I prefer to shut up…it’s better that way. Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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I was doing better until recently.   After getting out of the hospital I did my best to get out more, have seen my psychiatrist a few times and am schedueled again tommorrow, have taken my medication almost every day and was able to just sit back and live for a while and not feel so depressed all of the time.  It’s not working anymore.  I’m feeling all restless and depressed and irritable again and I don’t like it.  I feel like I just want to leave, but there’s no where to go and it wouldn’t solve anything anyway.  I feel like I want to do something but I can’t pay attention to anything long enough to get it started or I just don’t see the point in doing it anyway.  I don’t know what’s wrong with me.  I thought clinical depression was supposed to go away when it was being treated.   I still feel like there’s a rubber band wrapped around my head and there’s nothing that I can do that will satisfy me.  This is a stupid way to live.  You know what it is… I feel like I’m trapped in a cage and there’s no way for me to get out.  I’m trapped in this cage next to a million other cages while god pokes me with needles and sets fires under me to see how I’ll squirm.  And people wonder why I hate religion.  Who could possibly follow any kind of religious seriously when they know that it’s god who invented torture? – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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"kitznegari and the infinite sadness" <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:[email protected]… > I was doing better until recently.   > After getting out of the hospital I did my best to

get out more, have seen my > psychiatrist a few times and am schedueled again

tommorrow, have taken my > medication almost every day and was able to just sit

back and live for a while > and not feel so depressed all of the time.  It’s not

working anymore.  I’m > feeling all restless and depressed and irritable

again and I don’t like it.  I > feel like I just want to leave, but there’s no where

to go and it wouldn’t > solve anything anyway.  I feel like I want to do

something but I can’t pay > attention to anything long enough to get it started

or I just don’t see the > point in doing it anyway.  I don’t know what’s wrong with me.  I thought > clinical depression was supposed to go away when it

was being treated. It improves, but there are other aspects of one’s life that need to be addressed through other means. Usually, that means therapy. Also, you may be somewhat overmedicated; that could explain some of the aimlessness you feel. > I still feel like there’s a rubber band wrapped

around my head and there’s > nothing that I can do that will satisfy me.  This is

a stupid way to live.  You > know what it is… I feel like I’m trapped in a cage

and there’s no way for me > to get out.  I’m trapped in this cage next to a

million other cages while god > pokes me with needles and sets fires under me to see

how I’ll squirm.  And > people wonder why I hate religion.  Who could

possibly follow any kind of > religious seriously when they know that it’s god who invented torture?

Uh, I’m also no fan of religion.  Watch all the God-fearing shybies come out of the woodwork and bash us  Actually, I suspect that many shybies have turned away from religion, because of all the suffering they’ve experienced in this supposedly just world. Anyway, I hope you feel better soon, Kitz. ===== Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions – buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com   — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com  – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator

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> I still feel like there’s a rubber band wrapped around my head and there’s > nothing that I can do that will satisfy me.  This is a stupid way to live. You > know what it is… I feel like I’m trapped in a cage and there’s no way for me > to get out.  I’m trapped in this cage next to a million other cages while god > pokes me with needles and sets fires under me to see how I’ll squirm.  And > people wonder why I hate religion.  Who could possibly follow any kind of > religious seriously when they know that it’s god who invented torture?

How can you say he invented torture when you let yourself be the victim? Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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> Uh, I’m also no fan of religion.  Watch all the > God-fearing shybies come out of the woodwork and bash > us  Actually, I suspect that many shybies have > turned away from religion, because of all the > suffering they’ve experienced in this supposedly just > world.

I’m not a religious person, but not for those reasons. Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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"Belenus" <bele…@enleve.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:acnM6.127163$[email protected]… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I still feel like there’s a rubber band wrapped around my head and there’s > > nothing that I can do that will satisfy me.  This is a stupid way to live. > You > > know what it is… I feel like I’m trapped in a cage and there’s no way > for me > > to get out.  I’m trapped in this cage next to a million other cages while > god > > pokes me with needles and sets fires under me to see how I’ll squirm. And > > people wonder why I hate religion.  Who could possibly follow any kind of > > religious seriously when they know that it’s god who invented torture? > How can you say he invented torture when you let yourself be the victim?

Um I suppose you haven’t been privy to kitz’s life story.

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Alex said: >How can you say he invented torture when you let yourself be the victim?

How can you escape the world? – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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> Um I suppose you haven’t been privy to kitz’s life story.

Suppose not.

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kitznegari and the infinite sadness <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]… > Alex said: > >How can you say he invented torture when you let yourself be the victim? > How can you escape the world?

Escape is for the weak…confront it. Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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Hang in there Kitz…I’ve been depressed at various times in my life…and for me its something that is never going to completely go away…I try and ignore myself when I get low because I just drag myself down lower…I know eventually it will pass and whilst I never believe it at the time…maybe even the next day I’m back up again. Keep talking to your doctor about how you’re doing tho’. Really like your imagary…it’s very typical of a depressed person…all that isolation. Can I ask…are you a Catholic? Nikki

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Alex said: >Escape is for the weak…confront it.

No. – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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Nikki said: >Really like your imagary…it’s very typical of a depressed person…all >that isolation. Can I ask…are you a Catholic?

No, but I used to be a very faithful christian. – k i t z – http://altgeek.org/kitznegari

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kitznegari and the infinite sadness <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]… > Alex said: > >Escape is for the weak…confront it. > No.

That’s your decision, I think you are capable of making the best decisions for yourself. Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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kitznegari and the infinite sadness <kitzneg…@aol.com> wrote: > I was doing better until recently.  

I’m sorry to hear that Kitz, I hope you feel better soon *hugs* Beckie — Don’t worry.  You won’t say anything stupid.  It’ll be fine.                                                         -Neil Gaiman

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You’ve never been clinically depressed, have you? "Belenus" <bele…@enleve.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:acnM6.127163$[email protected]… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I still feel like there’s a rubber band wrapped around my head and there’s > > nothing that I can do that will satisfy me.  This is a stupid way to live. > You > > know what it is… I feel like I’m trapped in a cage and there’s no way > for me > > to get out.  I’m trapped in this cage next to a million other cages while > god > > pokes me with needles and sets fires under me to see how I’ll squirm. And > > people wonder why I hate religion.  Who could possibly follow any kind of > > religious seriously when they know that it’s god who invented torture? > How can you say he invented torture when you let yourself be the victim?

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Pyotya <pyotya@remove_this_bit.sandhall.ukf.net> wrote in message

news:[email protected]… > You’ve never been clinically depressed, have you?

Such an easy way to blame something that is out of our control.  We are in a weak position…blame others, other things…but NEVER ourselves…NEVER!!!!! No I’ve never been clinically depressed…I actually don’t think it exist, it’s only in our minds…believe it and you are, believe it not and you aren’t. That’s IMHO Alex — Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! like_ummm…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Belenus wrote: > Pyotya <pyotya@remove_this_bit.sandhall.ukf.net> wrote in message > news:[email protected]… > > You’ve never been clinically depressed, have you? > Such an easy way to blame something that is out of our control.  We are in a > weak position…blame others, other things…but NEVER > ourselves…NEVER!!!!! > No I’ve never been clinically depressed…I actually don’t think it exist, > it’s only in our minds…believe it and you are, believe it not and you > aren’t. That’s IMHO > Alex > — > Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the > bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! > like_ummm…

Do you think cancer, diabetes and heart disease are all in the mind? Clinical depression is an illness. Its associated with imbalance in neurotransmitters in the brain and severe physiological symptoms, like diabetes is associated with a lack of insulin and severe physical symptoms. Thats how the medication works, by addressing the imbalance. Its insulting to somebody with a serious illness, to say they are imagining it.

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I’ve never been as severly depressed as Kitz, but I’ve enough experience of the disease to know that it’s a hell of a lot more than merely feeling a bit miserable. Just b/cos you know what it’s like to be unhappy doesn’t mean you’ve any idea what depression is like. Kitz makes an excellent job of describing it in her original post. After taking St Johns Wort and Serotin 5htp for a few months I realised that I’d actually been mildly depressed for as long as I could remember. The change in my state of mind was -remarkable. It’s almost like I’ve been given a new life to play around with. P. "Belenus" <bele…@enleve.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:Aq9N6.148319$[email protected]… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Pyotya <pyotya@remove_this_bit.sandhall.ukf.net> wrote in message > news:[email protected]… > > You’ve never been clinically depressed, have you? > Such an easy way to blame something that is out of our control.  We are in a > weak position…blame others, other things…but NEVER > ourselves…NEVER!!!!! > No I’ve never been clinically depressed…I actually don’t think it exist, > it’s only in our minds…believe it and you are, believe it not and you > aren’t. That’s IMHO > Alex > — > Signatures are just like spam arent they? – unsolicited messages at the > bottom of your email – so fuck off with your spammy signatures! > like_ummm…

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